关于王宫弹压的两个有冲突的调整
主要是发现对于弓单压发动时能否同时使用效果这一点上有分歧...这是之前找到的调整
王宫之弓单压
◇只有当此卡正面表示存在在场上的时候,对方才能用此卡的效果,当此卡SET在场上的场合,就算对方用其他卡的效果(如暗毒宣言魔法)看见了SET的此卡也不能发动
◇就算此卡已经打开了,也不能在伤判使用此卡的效果
◇可以在发动(打开)此卡的同时使用效果
◇不入连锁的怪兽特殊召唤时发动时点同[神之宣告]
◇(接上条)就算此卡在那个时点发动,也可连锁[旋风]之类(这句MS是废话)
◇(接上条)特殊召唤[混沌帝龙-终焉的使者]的场合,不能连锁此卡的效果发动[火焰吐息]
★可否以那只特殊召唤的怪兽为对象连锁发动[破坏指轮],调整中
★可否用[我身作盾]无效此卡的效果,调整中
★连锁发动[王宫的通告]的场合,暂调整为可无效此卡
★连锁发动其余咒文速度2的效果的场合,调整中
◇无效那张怪兽的特殊召唤的场合,破坏那张怪兽,那张怪兽不算正规出场过
◇发动入连锁的含有"让怪兽特殊召唤"的效果的卡时,连锁那个卡的发动使用此卡的效果
◇无效的是那张卡的"效果"而不是"发动"
◇无效在墓地里发动的[奈菲斯之凤凰神][吸血鬼总督]的场合,因为是在墓地里被无效并破坏,不满足那两张卡的"被效果破坏送去墓地" 的诱发条件,故下回合这两张卡的效果不发动
然后是在UDE官网找到的调整
ROYAL OPPRESSION
There are basically 2 ways to Special Summon a monster. The first way is with a Spell Card like "Monster Reborn", a Trap Card like "Call of the Haunted", or an Effect Monster like "Magical Scientist". The second way is built in to the monster, and Special Summons it without activating an effect, such as "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" or "Dark Necrofear". "Royal Oppression" can negate both of these types of Special Summon. In the first case, you chain the activation of "Royal Oppression"’s effect to the activation of the Spell, Trap, or Monster Card’s effect, and negate the effect. In the second case, right before the monster is Special Summoned, you can activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" to negate the Special Summon (the same procedure that you use for "Horn of Heaven" or "Solemn Judgment").
Example 1: If "Marauding Captain" is Normal Summoned, its effect activates. You can chain to this effect by activating the effect of "Royal Oppression". The effect of "Marauding Captain" is negated, no monster is Special Summoned, and the "Marauding Captain" is destroyed. (The monster your opponent intended to Special Summon with the effect of "Marauding Captain" remains in his hand.)
Example 2: If "Cyber Jar" is Flip Summoned and its Flip Effect activates, you can activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" in a chain to the Flip Effect. The effect of "Cyber Jar" is negated, no monsters on the field are destroyed by its effect, no cards are picked up, no monsters are Special Summoned, and "Cyber Jar" is destroyed by the effect of "Royal Oppression".
Example 3: If "Call of the Haunted" is activated, you can activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" in a chain. The effect of "Call of the Haunted" is negated, and a monster is not Special Summoned.
The effects of face-up Trap Cards cannot be activated during the Damage Step, so this card’s effect cannot negate the Special Summoning of a monster by the effect of “Mystic Tomato” or a “Cyber Jar” flipped face-up by an attack.
You can activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" as a chain to "Monster Gate". No cards will be picked up, and no monster will be Special Summoned (The opponent still must have Tributed a monster as a cost).
You can activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" to negate an effect that Summons 1 monster, or Summons multiple monsters (like "Cyber Jar", "The Shallow Grave", or "Valkyrion the Magna Warrior").
If "Royal Oppression" is face-up on the field, and "Monster Reborn" is activated to Special Summon "Jinzo", you can activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" in a chain to negate the Special Summon because "Jinzo" is not on the field until the chain resolves.
If you have "Royal Oppression" face-up on your side of the field, and your opponent attempts to Special Summon "Dark Necrofear", and you activate the effect of your "Royal Oppression", then "Dark Necrofear" will activate its effect in the Graveyard and return to the field as an Equip Spell Card. But if your opponent had "Royal Oppression" face-up on his side of the field, and you activate the effect of your opponent’s "Royal Oppression" to negate the Special Summon of your opponent’s "Dark Necrofear", then "Dark Necrofear" does not activate its effect in the Graveyard, because it was destroyed by an effect controlled by its owner, not by its owner’s opponent (even though the owner did not activate the effect, he still controls the "Royal Oppression" card).
When "Insect Queen" destroys your opponent’s monster, an "Insect Monster Token" is Special Summoned during the End Phase, and the effect of "Royal Oppression" can be activated at that time to negate the Special Summon and destroy "Insect Queen".
When "Jam Breeding Machine" activates its effect to Special Summon a "Slime Token" in the Standby Phase, and the effect of "Royal Oppression" can be activated at that time to negate the Special Summon and destroy "Jam Breeding Machine".
If the effect of "Royal Oppression" is activated, and "Mystical Space Typhoon" or "Dust Tornado" is chained to destroy "Royal Oppression", then the effect of "Royal Oppression" disappears because it is a Continuous Trap Card, and the Special Summon will not be negated.
Remember that "Royal Oppression" follows the rules of all Continuous Trap Cards. In order to chain the effect of "Royal Oppression" to a card effect, "Royal Oppression" must have already been face-up on the field. For example, if "Monster Reborn" is activated, you cannot flip "Royal Oppression" face-up and activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" in the same chain.
红色这部分大意就是说弓单压在发动时不能在同一连锁中使用其效果
很明显两段有冲突的说...
那么这是不是因为OCG和TCG对弓单压有不同调整而造成的?... TCG跟OCG调整不同不是一天的事了- - 这样看来，TCG的弓单压弱得厉害==||| 寻找裁判网的核实中
[ 本帖最后由 闇紅の魔導師 于 2008-5-27 07:14 编辑 ] 这不是调整问题 是英文水平问题 尝试翻译下，看看自己的理解是否正确……
（1）Remember that "Royal Oppression" follows the rules of all Continuous Trap Cards.
“请牢记弓单压遵循永续陷阱的规则（读起来真纠结）”
（2）In order to chain the effect of "Royal Oppression" to a card effect, "Royal Oppression" must have already been face-up on the field.
“只有当王宫弓单压已在场上正面表示的情况下，才能针对一张卡的效果连锁发动弓单压的效果”
（3） For example, if "Monster Reborn" is activated, you cannot flip "Royal Oppression" face-up and activate the effect of "Royal Oppression" in the same chain.
“举例，当 对方发动 死者苏生 时，你不能反转（念起来好纠结）弓单压并在同一连锁中使用弓单压的效果。”
首先，试问自己翻译对了没？
然后，基于以上的答复：
1.如果翻译的意思基本对了，那么在下个人的解释是：对方发动死者苏生,在怪还没从墓地中爬出来的时候，玩家可以连锁发动/激活SET的弓单压，但是因为怪还没特殊召唤出来，不符合弓单压效果发动的条件，因而当然不能发动弓单压的效果了。死者苏生特殊召唤的怪，要到连锁处理的时候才会爬出来～～
2.如果翻译的意思不对的话，那在下回去继续补习E文去；
3.如果在下个人的理解不对的话，那么在下回去继续面壁去~ 原帖由 闇紅の魔導師 于 2008-5-26 22:01 发表 http://bbs.newwise.com/images/common/back.gif
完全是LZ理解错意思。那段红字的意思是“发动王弓单（没用效果），之后对方连锁能特殊召唤怪的效果的卡，你不能用王弓单效果”
而不是发动时不能连效果一起用。（发动+效果启动，那不叫连锁。是同一环节中进行的）
举例中用的是死者复活，怎么连在弓单压后面…… 原帖由 伊猪-贝贝 于 2008-5-26 23:49 发表 http://bbs.newwise.com/images/common/back.gif
尝试翻译下，看看自己的理解是否正确……
（1）Remember that "Royal Oppression" follows the rules of all Continuous Trap Cards.
“请牢记弓单压遵循永续陷阱的规则（读起来真纠结）”
（2）In order to cha ...
弓单压连钟楼都能弓单何止死苏了
弓单压可是写清楚带有将怪物特殊召唤的卡发动时也能弓单的 查证完毕，是前段时间更新过永久陷阱使用方式：
You CANNOT activate (flip face-up) a Continuous Trap Card and also use its effect in the same chain. In order to use the effect of a Continuous Trap Card, it must have been activated (flipped face-up) before the current chain was initiated.
表侧+效果发动变得不能。 原帖由 闇紅の魔導師 于 2008-5-27 09:26 发表 http://bbs.newwise.com/images/common/back.gif
查证完毕，是前段时间更新过永久陷阱使用方式：
You CANNOT activate (flip face-up) a Continuous Trap Card and also use its effect in the same chain. In order to use the effect of a Continuous Trap Car ...
那么就是说TCG判定为弓单压不能在发动时同时使用效果吧...
PS暗红能把你所说的裁判网发出来么...
感觉自己动手查比问人好多了...
[ 本帖最后由 mark092 于 2008-5-27 15:25 编辑 ] 那永续效果适用可以么？比如发好人卡连锁Yao副 永久效果适用在结算成功后即开始，和需要发动的完全不是一个概念。 了解了，谢谢
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