babywong4号 发表于 2010-9-20 00:30:22

不死印尼人的照片?托拉雅的殭屍

Photograph of Indonesian undead? The walking corpse of Toraja.
Topic started on 18-9-2010 @ 03:37 AM by One Step Beyond...

Zombies, walking corpses and the power of giving life to the dead are things from fiction, right? Well, what do you think about this picture?
喪屍、殭屍和力量賦予死者生命的都是虛構小說的東西,對嗎?那麼,你對這張圖片怎樣想?



From what I could find, this picture was first present in this indonesian blog mamasa-online.blogspot.com... wich talks about a personal story involving the walking corpses of Tojara, Indonesia. But only recently the picture is gaining attention, making presence in many blogs and forums with the following text:
從我所能找到的,這張照片首次出現在這個印尼博客mamasa-online.blogspot.com ...它談到一個個人故事涉及印尼Tojara的彊屍。但衹最近照片才獲得注意,在許多博客和論壇出現並有以下文字:

Only in Indonesia (especially Toraja), a corpse is usually being carried up to the grave, but in Toraja, the corpse is woken up letting it walk to its grave (is rarely performed anymore)
只有在印尼(尤其是托拉雅),一具屍體通常是被携進墳墓;但在托拉雅,屍體被弄醒和讓它步行至墳墓(罕有再進行了)
The corpse is woken up using black magic. This is done because in Toraja the graves/cemetries is placed above limestones mountains.
屍體使用黑色魔術喚醒,這樣做是因為在托拉雅墳墓 / 墳場是置在灰岩山區上面。
The corpse walks by itself, and its guided by an expert in black magic behind it. But there is one prohibition, the corpse shouldn’t be appointed, once pointed, the corpse falls down and isn’t able to walk again.
屍體自己步行,和它是由一個黑魔術專家在背後引導。但有一個禁令,屍體不應被委派,一旦被指,屍體會倒下和不能夠再步行了。

Curiously, a website about turism in Indonesia give more depth to the history:
好奇地,一個關於turism的印尼網站提供更深入的歷史:

使一個死人步行
To Make a Dead Man Walk

In times past, when the villages of Tana Toraja were still extremely isolated and difficult to visit, it is said that certain people had the power to make a dead man walk to his village in order to be present at his own funeral. In this way, relatives of the deceased were spared the necessity of having to carry his corpse. One particular area, Mamasa ? West Toraja, was particularly well-known for this practice. The people of this area are not strictly speaking of the same ethnic group as the people of Tana Toraja. However, outsiders often refer to them as Toraja Mamasa. In many ways, the cultures of the two groups are similar, although they each have their own distingushing characteristics. In particular, the style of wood carving of the two groups is different.

According to the belief system of the people of Mamasa, the spirit of a dead person must return to his village of origin. It is essential that he meet with his relatives, so that they can guide him on his journey into the after-life after the ceremonies have been completed. In the past, people of this area were frightened to journey far, in case they died while they were away and were unable to return to their village. If someone died while on a journey, and unless he has a strong magic power, it would be necessary to procure the services of an expert, to guide the dead person back to the village.

This is not intended metaphorically-the dead person would be made to walk from wherever he had journeyed back home, no matter how far away that was. The corpse would walk stiffly, without any expression on his face, in the manner of a robot. If anyone addressed the dead man directly, he would fall down senseless, unable to continue his journey. Therefore, those accompanying the deceased on the macabre procession had to warn people they met on their path not to talk directly to the dead man. The attendants usually sought out quiet paths where the procession was less likely to meet with strangers. These days, the practice of walking the dead back to their place of origin has fallen out of currency.

Good roads now connect the villages of Tana Toraja, and people tend to rely on more conventional means of transportation for bringing bodies back home. The ability to bring the dead back to life has not been entirely forgotten, however. Sometimes, even now, the deceased is made to continue breathing and seems alive until all his relatives are gathered around him.More commonly, the skill is practiced on animals. At a funeral ceremony, when a buffalo has been sacrificed and its head separated from its body, the body is made to get up and walk for as long as ten minutes. A demonstration of this sort proves to the audience that the ability to bring the dead back to life has not entirely passed from the community.

Now I ask you ATS, what you think about the picture and the history of the Torajans? Hoax? Photoshop? Misunderstanding? Scientifically probable? Historically accurate?
現在我問你ATS會員,你怎麼想關於那照片和Torajans的歷史?惡作劇? Photoshop的?誤解?科學上可能?歷史上準確?
Sincerely I don't know what to think of it, I think the picture is real but doesn't show an undead but yes a corpse standing up due to bones and muscular rigidness but I really don't know, I am no forensic expert.
真誠地我不知道想它甚麼,我認為圖片是真的但沒有顯示一個未死的,但是的一具屍體由於骨骼和肌肉的嚴格性站立,但我真的不知道,我不是法醫專家。

Related websites:
相關網站:
http://mamasa-online.blogspot.com/2009/11/mayat-berjalan-di-toraja.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toraja
http://www.incitoprima.com/details.php?catid=5&aid=5
http://mysteriesunsolvedstory.blogspot.com/2010/04/walking-corpse-ritual-in-tanah-toraja.html
http://vahn-saryu1.blogspot.com/2010/04/benarkah-orang-toraja-bisa.html
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=65203
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread612235/pg1

babywong4号 发表于 2010-9-20 00:31:39

真的有不死喪尸?!真的有不死喪尸?!真的啊?!我在发梦嗎?

040785 发表于 2010-9-20 00:39:54

通灵术

黄泉川彼方 发表于 2010-9-20 01:11:52

天朝赶尸人表示此乃山寨货...

好奇怪の名字 发表于 2010-9-20 01:18:00

茅山道士笑而不语,一道符烧光你~

宇宙的巴比伦 发表于 2010-9-20 01:44:21

暗黑2里面死灵法师的30级技能居然在现实生活中出现了= =

jillちゃん 发表于 2010-9-20 09:04:00

这翻译很违和-________,-|||||虽然没有错

而且现在这个时代是有图也不见得是真相
可能是某cult片的化妆,也可能是真尸但左边那人扶住而已

高原氏·月 发表于 2010-9-20 09:10:56

求黑魔法~~~~

求需要的道具要咒文~~~·

Gundaman 发表于 2010-9-20 09:20:25

求黑魔法~~~~

求需要的道具要咒文~~~·
高原氏·月 发表于 2010-9-20 09:10 http://bbs.newwise.com/images/common/back.gif

道具: 死者蘇生(印尼文)一張

one turn kill 发表于 2010-9-20 09:31:04



道具: 死者蘇生(印尼文)一張
Gundaman 发表于 2010-9-20 09:20 http://bbs.newwise.com/images/common/back.gif

死者苏生是满状态原地复活的,这图怎么看都不是满状态

sunhasee 发表于 2010-9-20 09:34:33

这个看完还真的有点震撼

jillちゃん 发表于 2010-9-20 09:40:15

坟呼吧-_______,-||||动画里面是僵尸状态复活的

babywong4号 发表于 2010-9-20 11:14:34

求黑魔法~~~~

求需要的道具要咒文~~~·
高原氏·月 发表于 2010-9-20 09:10 http://bbs.newwise.com/images/common/back.gif

小心被鬼附身...

shenmimengzhu 发表于 2010-9-20 11:39:37

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/img/gmw/docs/395/248/jga12.jpg

其實上週又喪屍去了TGS遊玩

以上。。。

绯雪风暴 发表于 2010-9-20 12:19:48

别人是严重烧伤而已,你们居然说别人是僵尸。

xaw12qszcde 发表于 2010-9-20 20:11:53

好恐怖呀。。。

dxc190 发表于 2010-9-20 20:19:45

那两条手臂看起来好吓人的...小生怕怕...

光帝クライス 发表于 2010-9-20 21:26:19

有点小恐怖。。不自觉觉得恶心

jaycheng 发表于 2010-9-21 15:27:14

一定是假的啦。。。

ロツクマソ 发表于 2010-9-21 18:46:13

本帖最后由 ロツクマソ 于 2010-9-21 18:51 编辑

黑魔法,喜欢
PS:干尸应该比较轻吧,那个蜀黍一个手扶住应该也可以吧
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