明白了~~~~就是天狗无论怎样~~与超量相关不发效果~~还是很厉害啊~~还有同调~~
地狱MM~~现在就只剩下库沙诺了~~~
很好那么到时天狗和导游O化后就不会那么贵了吧我只关心这个
当时，NW的贴里也有注明，TOKEN可以超量的字眼~~
这个如果真的只是巧合~~也太巧合了吧~~
天狗是在哪里强大起来的还是哪里~~超量只是个托~~
地狱MM就真的一般~~就是个单卡3阶的卡~~和救援兔相比~~ 283# Wand
导游拖三眼必须还是很不错的。。不一定是库莎偌啊，不能是永火死灵师么？
代币那件事和这个不同，当时是连同vj图号称所谓有介绍代币可超量。
但这次，不论哪个消息都来自官方，至少是官方人员。并且大会也如此做
世界总是会大同嘛
不然这游戏还怎么玩
永火卡组~~死灵师需要地狱MM拉出来么？！手牌消耗低不是永火需要的~~
日文卡名：
美英卡名：Reborn Tengu
中文卡名：再生天狗
卡片PASS：10028593
禁卡限制：普通卡
卡片种族：兽战士
卡片属性：风
星级等阶：4 ☆
攻击力：1700
防御力：600
卡片种类：效果怪兽
效果说明：这张卡从场上离开的场合，从自己的卡组特殊召唤１只「再生天狗」。
去除素材不发效果我明白，但我想问一下，超量召唤成功时，作为超量素材，那么应该算从场上离开，然后不知道去到哪里啊，但是离场的条件还是满足的啊？
代币那件事和这个不同，当时是连同vj图号称所谓有介绍代币可超量。
但这次，不论哪个消息都来自官方，至少是官方人员。并且大会也如此做
闇紅の魔導師 发表于 2011-9-2 13:00 http://bbs.newwise.com/images/common/back.gif
表面如何，也是有消息源的~~
官方以后的这类行为~~大家留个心眼就好~~
A card on the field that is sent to the Graveyard, banished, or returned to the hand or Extra Deck can activate its “leaves the field” effect. A card that is shuffled into the Main Deck or becomes Xyz Material cannot.
290# banana0760
感谢导游，我的天狗发条死了一大半了
表面如何，也是有消息源的~~
官方以后的这类行为~~大家留个心眼就好~~
黑-魔-导游 发表于 2011-9-2 13:08 http://bbs.newwise.com/images/common/back.gif
一个不知名者说的，和一个被采用的消息源是一样的么
至于留心眼，这就复杂了。
呵呵~别误会~~你们提供消息的辛苦了~~
我是说~玩家对消息的判断~~不然会浪费很多钱~~ 294# 闇紅の魔導師
日文卡名：
美英卡名：Reborn Tengu
中文卡名：再生天狗
卡片PASS：10028593
禁卡限制：普通卡
卡片种族：兽战士
卡片属性：风
星级等阶：4 ☆
攻击力：1700
防御力：600
卡片种类：效果怪兽
效果说明 ...
banana0760 发表于 2011-9-2 13:08 http://bbs.newwise.com/images/common/back.gif
简单点说就是一旦与素材有关都不发了，OCG的超量规则不就是超量无论是否成功，一旦超量宣言的瞬间就当是素材的了 各种诡异...
Tengo离场不发可以参照zero
Zero怎么了？
小弟的渣渣翻譯...
Important Rulebook Updates! “Xyz Materials” and “Leaves the Field”
September 1st, 2011
Just in time for the start of a new Dueling era, we’ve posted the latest version of the official rulebook on our website. You can find the new Version 8.0 rulebook here. If you’re the type who normally ignores updates to the rulebook, do not ignore this one. There are two major additions that will affect you and the way you play. If you look on page 45 (it’s in the “Other Rules” section) you’ll see that there are now sections on “Xyz Materials” and “Leaves the Field”. Take a look at them in the new rulebook, then come back here and read on.
重要的規則書更新!"超量素材"以及"離場"
2011年9月1日
隨著嶄新決鬥時代的開始,我們也在網站中更新了最新的公式規則書。你可以在這里找到v8.0的規則書。如果你是那種經常忽略規則書更新的人士,請不要忽略這次的更新。因為這里有2個會影响到各位決鬥者日常遊玩的重大事項。如果你翻看第45頁(它在"其他規則"的章節)你會發現多出了"超量素材"以及"離場"2項。請看看那些事項然后再回來繼續閱讀。
“Xyz Materials”
"超量素材"
Xyz Summoning is rapidly becoming an important part of the game, so it’s important for Duelists to know exactly how it works. The basics are easy. Take monsters with the same Level, put them on top of each other, put the Xyz Monster on top of that. But what exactly is happening here? Are the materials leaving the field? Are they still there, just not as monsters anymore? What characteristics do they still have? Do any of their effects apply?
超量召喚在這個遊戲中變得越來越重要,因此對於決鬥者來說,了解它如何運作是十分重要的一環。基本的操作方法很簡單,將相同星數的生物疊放,然后再把超量生物放到它們的上面。不過到底其中發生了什麼事呢?那些素材有離過場嗎?還是他們仍然在場上,只是他們不再是生物而已?究竟它們還有什麼特性?它們又發揮了什麼效果?
All of these are questions we receive on a daily basis. That’s why we put an explanation of Xyz Materials on page 45. Monsters that become Xyz Materials stop being treated as actual cards on the field. Instead, they become part of the Xyz Monster that’s being Summoned to the field. As a result, the Xyz Materials lose their previous identities and effects and only exist as part of the larger monster. They’re also severed from any effects that were applied to them on the field, which makes sense because they aren’t monsters anymore, they’re pieces of something else.
我們每天都接收到這堆問題。這個就是我們在45頁中加上超量素材說明的原因。變成超量素材的生物將會不再被視為一張在場上存在的實卡。取而代之的,它們將會變成那隻被召喚的超量生物的一部分。結果,那些超量素材就會失去之前的特性及效果,並只當作是部件之一。他們也不會受到任何以場上存在的卡片為效果目標的效果影响。這是非常人性化的,因為他們已經不再是生物了,只是部件之類而已。
“Leaves the Field”
"離場"
This begs the question, do Xyz Materials ever “leave the field”? Once they stop being monsters and start being Xyz Materials, they’re no longer considered “cards on the field”, but they’re still sitting there right in front of you. When they’re detached, they go to the Graveyard which is something that most people consider “leaving the field”. So it seems, initially, that the card would leave the field twice. But then, you have to reconcile all of this with cards like Reborn Tengu that cannot activate their “leaves the field” effect when they are returned from the field to the Deck even though they clearly had to leave to get there. That’s why we included the section on “leaves the field”.
這個是假設性問題,究竟超量素材何曾"離場"?從一開始它們不再是生物而開始當起超量素材的一刻開始,它們己經不再被視為"場上存在的卡片",不過他們還是好好的躺著在你的前方。當他們被取除后,他們仍然會進墓地。這就是絕大多數人判定"離場"的依據。這樣就好像那張卡會離場2次。不過,你必須要對這有一個認知,像再生天狗般不能在他們從場上返回卡組時發動"離場時"效果,即使它的確是離開了。這個就是我們增加了"離場"一節的原因。
This section specifically defines what will and will not trigger a “leaves the field” effect. A card on the field that is sent to the Graveyard, banished, or returned to the hand or Extra Deck can activate its “leaves the field” effect. A card that is shuffled into the Main Deck or becomes Xyz Material cannot. I think you’ll agree that it’s much easier to say “If this card leaves the field” rather than “If this card on the field is sent to the Graveyard, banished, or returned to the hand or Extra Deck” and gives us more room to tell you what the card actually does.
在這一部份,我們將會明確指出"離場"的效果觸發與否的判定要素。當一張場上的卡被送到墓地,從遊戲中移除,或者返回手牌/額外牌組,它們的"離場時"效果就可以被觸發;而當一張場上的卡被洗回主牌組或者成為超量素材以后則不能。不過我想你應該會同意"如果這張卡片離場"這句比起"如果這張卡被送到墓地,從遊戲中移除,或者返回手牌/額外牌組"更容易說出口,而且也有更多的空間去闡述那張卡片到底可以做的事。
What does all this mean?
究竟以上這堆文字總的來說代表著什麼意思呢?
The end result is that it’s now even easier to tell what your cards do, and what they don’t do. “What constitutes ‘leaving the field’?” is easily the most frequently asked question I’ve seen in the 26 months I’ve been working here at Konami. Now it’s neatly spelled out in the rulebook, where it belongs. Definitely check it out if you still haven’t, and while you’re at it, read up on Xyz Materials too especially if you plan on playing any tournaments in the near future.
現在你應該更加容易明白卡片可以做以及不可以做的事。"什麼構成了'離場'?"這個問題是自從我k社工作了26個月以來最常被問到的問題,現在已經整理好了。如果你還沒有查閱或者是當你正在看公式書的時候,請仔細查閱有關超量素材的資訊,尤其是假如你有意在不久的將來有意參加任何賽事的話。
Have fun, and keep Dueling!
繼續享受決鬥的樂趣吧!
就是说遵循OCG规则了呗？
导游从错误的0卡xyz变回正确的1卡xyz了
LS相当强大的修辞，不过两几地方不太准
它們又發揮了什麼效果? -他们的效果还适用吗？
這是非常人性化的 -这很好理解
更容易說出口 -更简单