[翻译]国外高手谈环境
本帖最后由 泉こなた 于 2012-2-20 05:30 编辑31卡表刚刚公布，OT两边的很多玩家都表示不能接受。对于TCG来说，新卡表对大比赛环境的改变几乎是没有的，代行和植物在发条和甲虫发售之后已经变成“过气”的卡组。而今天举行的YCS亚特兰大正是证明了这一点，目前第六轮过后，前10桌中有4甲虫，3发条，还有一个发条加甲虫。不过更重要的是，前10桌加起来20个卡组里，植物和代行的数量都是零。31表公布后，令我感到不解的并不是甲虫和发条毫发无损，而是代行和植物这2个强度已经掉出1线的卡组被狠狠的打击。其实想想，K社一贯的作风好像都是让最强的卡组先活6个月，然后打击到不能玩的程度。植物活了这么久，这次终于被打击到死死的了，天狗植物这个所谓“均卡”的卡组也玩完了。TCG现在剩下的三巨头就只有兔，发条，和甲虫了。其中2个都是K社推销的系列卡组。翻译这篇文章主要是想给大家分享一下一个平静对待任何新卡，卡表的心理。下面是文。
作者是Alistar Albans 2011年YCS多次上位 其中有亚军
大家在寻找现在最强的卡组的路上产生了对现环境很多错误的理解和不好的理论。在DGZ（相当于NW）和Facebook（人人）上，我会看到好和不好的玩家都在说“起手没有群C和遮蔽的话就死吧”之类的话，但是其实并不是那么简单的。我保证这不能总结环境的现状。虽然现在有很多变态的T1战术，但是这并不代表游戏王变成了一个猜拳游戏。
我想跟大家讲，就算对于我们ARG（大多数著名“职业"玩家的赞助商），我们也不是特别明确现在到底应该玩什么或者side什么。我们没有人有对现在环境所有问题的解决方法。我们需要做的是：选择一个有强度的，稳定的，你了解的卡组并且跟主流卡组有足够的测试。这是我一直的想法，而且在现在这个想法比以前更重要。如果我们看一下现在的主流（发条，甲虫，兔，和植物），客观而言的确有很多“不公平”的组合和战术。你也可以说对于几个卡组，特定的起手基本能可以确定胜利。但是，就像我说过，还是没那么绝对的。
在我最近的测试中，我发现好多时候都是神警，魔族链，遮蔽，增值G，和其他常用卡的来回的反击。目前来说，简单战术的价值很高。一个发条玩家逼对手用群C后没有赚到卡，可以把自己放在一个优势的位置因为下一回合可以再试一次，或者已经有航母，兔，甚至工厂这些卡来确保场上优势。这可能不是最好的例子，但是确实是经常发生的一个。
历来所谓"不好“的卡表（并不一定指现在的）中，运气永远都不会让上位比失败更容易。用另一个说法，运气可以轻易让你输，但是永远都不是你成功的主要原因。历史证明，更好的玩家总是可以赢，不管什么卡表。我讲的不是一个match，而是整个比赛。起手没手坑，被发条扔掉大多数手牌是难免的，但是如果你用发条的话你也可以做同样的事，或者你的对手有能够达成削手combo的手牌但是后攻，这意味着被干扰的几率大得多，因为不管手坑，一般的陷阱也可以做同样的事。标配陷阱在对抗兔和发条的时候都是非常重要的。那2个卡组最厉害的战术都是在不被干扰的前提下达成的。在测试中我发现发条和兔很容易输给一个时机正好的神警或者激流葬——这是很多玩家没有意料到的，也是他们抱怨新卡毁了这个游戏的原因。
In the midst of searching for a sleeper, an absolutely broken deck to trounce all the other top deck picks, the community has caused a frenzy of misconceptions and bad theory surrounding the very core of the format.Everywhere from DuelistGroundz to Facebook, I see both good and bad players alike saying things like “open Maxx “C” or Effect Veiler or lose” when it’s simply not that black and white.That does not correctly sum up our current format, I promise. Though I agree that too many degenerate turn one strategies are currently thriving, I don’t believe that this results in a “coin flip format” like many have heralded in previous formats not long ago.
First and foremost, I’d like to point out that everyone, even us here at ARG, is uncertain about what to run and side deck to at least some extent.No one here has the be all end all answer to the format’s problems.What we hope to do, and what our readers should hope to do is this: play a solid, consistent, known deck to the best of your ability, with as much practice against the meta as you can possibly have backing you and your choice.I’ve preached this idea time and time again, but it holds more weight now than ever before.If we look at the top picks (Wind-Ups, Inzektors, Rabbit, and Plants), I think it’s fair to say that they’re all capable of “unfair” plays and setups.You could, perhaps, even make the argument that going first with any sort of solid hand with those decks will grant you a swift path to victory.But, as I’ve said, it’s not all so cut and dry.
In my recent testing, many of the mirrors and non-mirrors I’ve played result in lots of counters back and forth in the form of common cards such as Solemn Warning, Fiendish Chain, Effect Veiler, Maxx “C”, and all of the other usual suspects.Getting value out of simple plays is more important now than ever.A Wind-Up player facing off against against a lesser opponent running a deck of equal power can take advantage of his opponent’s early Maxx “C” drops by going into setups where Maxx “C” nets no advantage, and leaves the Wind-Up player ready to go off on the next turn or, in the very least, command the current board with Wind-Up Arsenal Zenmaity and Wind-Up Rabbit (and possibly even Wind-Up Factory).This might not the best example, but it’s at least one that happens often enough with a solid player in the captain’s seat.
Make sure to keep in mind that in every historically “bad” format of Yu-Gi-Oh! (which doesn’t necessarily define this one), luck never plays nearly as big a factor in winning or topping a tournament as it does in getting knocked out of one.Simply put, luck can play a big roll in having you knocked out of a tournament, while on the other hand, luck is almost never the sole reason you succeed in a tournament.Historically, the better player wins regardless of the format.Period.This isn’t on a match-to-match basis; rather, an entire tournament basis.It’s no secret that there will be several times in your tournament, be it in Atlanta or at your local regional qualifier, where your opponent discards most of your hand on their first turn because you didn’t open with a hand trap, but I and many other players believe that this will inevitably come full circle with scenarios seeing a combination of you discarding your opponent’s hand (should you choose to run Wind-Ups yourself), your opponent simply not opening a discard combo, your opponent opening a discard combo but not going first, thus leaving themselves to disruption in the form of not only hand traps, but (whaddyaknow) conventional traps as well!I cannot emphasize how big of a roll standard traps play in Wind-Up and Dino Rabbit match ups.All of both of those deck’s biggest plays revolve around not being disrupted in the slightest.I’ve found that many hands I’ve tested with Rabbit or Wind-Ups simply lose to a timely Solemn Warning or Torrential – I think this fact is heavily underappreciated amongst many of this game’s players, and instead we resort to complaining about how the new set is “ruining” the game. 大概了解意思了…就是看起来强，实际上很容易被关键的陷阱或者手坑打断… 兔还在TCG横行么 哇～大道理，表示没看懂，你想要神警，激流，不还是要先攻吗？还不是包剪锤？ 起手就确定胜利，真的很变天，把游戏王变成了一个猜拳的游戏，做一些机械性的战术，许多游戏王玩家已经无语。 表示喜欢楼主头像。 从文章中受教了 本帖最后由 a19910613 于 2012-2-19 10:57 编辑
感觉都是废话 说来说去结果还不是猜拳游戏 就算起手神警激流 只要没手坑 被对手先攻还不是一样被削掉 连盖下去的机会都没... 本帖最后由 jinwenkan2 于 2012-2-19 10:55 编辑
难道K社看到这个人的发言所以把激流葬开2了么，好笑。没错强的操作始终能保持就那么几个人上位。但是那个人能使用数年换点side用一套卡组上位么？于是呼，不就是要抛弃过去的战友？大家抱怨的只是这点。另外不是所有人都喜欢去比赛的，你拿着废2出去玩，整天遇到发条和甲虫能有好心情？大家抱怨的是K社再强卖黑卡和新卡组而不是比赛不能进行。于是为了在比赛中能拿到名次，于是比赛几乎就限定了就这么几套卡组。作为一个热爱该卡牌游戏的玩家，希望能更多的看到比赛中百家争鸣，这才是一个游戏王真正走向竞技性的标志。
另一种说法，日本本地大多数玩家仍然非常喜欢废2和同调，于是呼K社干脆让你不能玩来不得不购买新卡组。
还有，tcg群C的价格可是非常出众。ocg群c价格也可是离谱。该人意思就是说，你咩有这卡3张还是不要比赛算了。 所以手坑是王道是这意思么。。 無可厚非，這篇文章寫得很好，絕對是一個很好的寫作的反面教材。 唉，怎么说呢，这个时候我只能说一句很水的回复：我只看看，我不说话了。。。 其实标题叫“翻译”可能比“转贴”好点吧
新环境确实很难说，有很多不确定性。卡组配置的时候也会有很多问题，只能等时间来验证。（不过TCG发条还是太夸张了） 发动陷阱要看时机，这个真心是道理 手坑年代各种压力阿 同意以上的文章..看完表之后就感到，以后OCG都要满丝袜和G了么
决斗的娱乐性去哪了...魂呢ORZ 現在不是炸卡(甲蟲)就是削手(發條)要不然就是壓制(兔子)
以後上位卡組應該有80%的都是這些卡組了... 苍白无力的辩护词，鉴定完毕 我只想说发条先攻削手并不等于胜利，被甲虫炸了打两拳你还没死。 改变不了环境，改变不了现实 这篇文章写的很专业，但对于大多数玩家来讲说了等于没说，看准时机这个是要看玩家的经验和猜牌能力的，这个时机不同的玩家有不同的见解。甲虫等卡组冲击环境不仅仅是说强度高，对玩家卡组的构筑也有不小的影响，从MAIN3魔链3纹饰3G等现象不难看出，这些引领环境的卡组使得玩家必须在胜率与构筑卡组的自由度之间进行艰难的选择，这对于卡牌游戏来说真的不是个好兆头。